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COVID-19, Pandemic
plastic
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Whatever the authorities see as the threat that mandates this social experiment it may be an amalgam of different issues. Could be race and religion but I would say the underlying issue would be socio-economic disparity.

It's as if property ownership has given rise to a type of modern day peasantry. From which comes many ills. Human trafficking, slavery, forced prostitution, drug running and use of to name just a few. And disease control is a major factor in this environment.



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mullokintyre
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Looks like wikipedia has been hacked. More power to that hacker!
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plastic
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In Reply To: Mags's post @ Sep 21 2020, 09:56 AM

A closer look will reveal a wresting back of monetary policy from the Reserve Bank and its siblings. That's one of the reasons usury is out of favour and the banks aren't happy about it.

To add to my comments of future possible conflict founded in race or religion, one cannot discount the trend for ethnic separatism and privilege amongst the indigenous population due to increased marginalization from immigration.

Any future republic aspirations of the politicians could easily act as a catalyst for this. Either before or after the event.



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mullokintyre
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As a loyal Victorian , I am astounded at the level of compliance that my fellow Vics have agreed to (some more reluctantly than others).
Now we have the complete stasi like corrupted executive in full dictator mode.

The piece of legislation introduced into Victorian parliament, called an Omnibus Bill
is something that i never thought was possible in OZ.
.n most democracies the power to arrest is confined to police and those with specialist police training.
The Daniel Andrews government plans to give powers that go beyond the powers of many police to a class of person to be known as “designated authorised officers” There will no limit to their numbers.

The first power of these “designated authorised officers“ is be able to detain (that can mean jail) a “high risk person”. A high-risk person is one that has been notified and diagnosed with COVID-19 and has not been given clearance from self-isolation. A “high risk person” can also be a “close contact“ of a person who has been diagnosed with COVID-19.

But then the proposed legislation goes one dramatic step further and gives “designated authorised officers” power to detain a person who is “likely“ to refuse or fail to refuse a direction. So, these “designated authorised officers” are to have the power to detain people who have not done anything wrong, but are “likely” to do something wrong. As the bill is written they can arrest anyone on that pretext. We saw these sort powers in pre-war Germany. We see it today in China, in Bulgaria, in Russia.
Who is eligible to be a “designated authorised officer?“ First they must be selected by a public servant who carries the title of secretary of the relevant department. That public servant can choose anyone they consider “appropriate for appointment based on the persons skills, attribute experience or otherwise”. It takes little imagination to realise just how far this can go.
And for all those Lborites who see this as a good thing, what happens if the a more conservative government gets in power and they start using this legislation to give these powers to their accolytes. Imagine the outrage.

The power to detain people should be restricted to police and not available to just about anyone.
And there should be never be unrestricted powers to anyone, including police when it comes to detention. without charge or a court orderd warrant.
And for police, much less non-police be able to use their power to detain a person who is “likely” to do something – not actually having done it - is frightening for a democracy. This is what dictators do.
How the hell have we got to this.

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mullokintyre
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I am not investing in land for housing, I am investing in Agricultural land.
Some of it may eventually end up as housing developments, but I hope not.
Its prime ag land with good soil structure, close to water supply facilities.
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Mags
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/hou...t.html#comments

My spiel about immigration yesterday agrees with the above.

It all comes down to the banks and their credit availability. If they stutter at all, we're back in 2018/19 with 20% falls over 18months, or better.
And yes, housing in Australia is a ponzi: With -ve gearing rampant, most 'investors' are losing money weekly: They just hope to sell for an amount above inflation growth that allows them to be profitable.... Very few actually value add: They just want someone to pay more: How is that done?
With increased credit injected to the system.
So if existing investors need new cash (usually from new investors, as someone with a huge portfolio of -ve geared houses has terrible cashflow, they can't keep investing) from outside the system... It's a ponzi.


 

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In Reply To: frootloops's post @ Sep 20 2020, 03:14 PM

And if anyone ever wants a cameo from loopy just spread the bile and hey, presto. There he is.

NZ alert levels to be reviewed today. Can't see it going down. Even though the rest of the country is in Level One (whatever happened to Level Zero?) and many Aucklanders have vacated Auckland to be out of Covid restrictions I can't see it changing any time soon. I don't believe its about a virus but more to do with changing how we live, work and play. The roads are better for it thats for sure.




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mullokintyre
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Another one for the hypocrisy files.
From The OZ
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Remember how we were all in this together?

Yes, well, it’s maybe time to forget that. Because if there is one thing this pandemic has shown us it’s that fame and money make the difference.

As for the people who are making the decisions to let the rich and famous get flights, and dodge hotel quarantine?

The latest outrage concerns Lord Sugar.

No, of course you’ve never heard of him, but never mind that.

He’s a celebrity in the UK! A self-made multi-millionaire! And if that’s not enough to impress you, he’s also the new host of Celebrity Apprentice Australia!
But at least in 14 day Quarantine isn't he?
Actually, no, that’s bunk.
He has in fact been given an exemption from hotel quarantine, just like Nicole and Keith, and Dannii and Tom Hanks and other stars working on the Elvis movie, and so on.

So, on one hand, you’ve got parents with toddlers stuck for two weeks in rooms without windows.

And then you’ve got Lord Sugar, ‘making his own arrangements.’

This in the nation that roundly rejected all that Bunyip Aristocracy nonsense, back in the 1850s.

That nation where Jack’s as good as his master, and probably even better.

Where passengers until very recently rode in the front seat of the taxi, and there was no tipping, since everyone earned a decent wage.

Well, hasn’t that proven to be a total crock? And sure, maybe it always was, but please at least spare us all the “we’re all in this together” nonsense.

Do you know something really revolting?

They put Charlie Gray — the partner of one of the young Australians lost at sea, after a live export ship capsized — in hotel quarantine for two weeks, leaving her to sit alone, night after night, to ponder his fate.

There was no exemption for her.

But sure, let’s all tug our forelocks for Lord Sugar. How sweet it must be.


Don't know which of the myriad governments let this one slip through, but it would seem to be with the connivance of both the NSW and Federal governments.
Didn't trump start off as the host of Celebrity Apoprentice?
Perhaps his sweetness is aiming to be president of the UK when the Queen finally falls off the Perch.
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nipper
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In Reply To: frootloops's post @ Sep 20 2020, 03:14 PM

Yep, I would say Through to the keeper, but then, he probably has one.




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Confucious say: It's better to remain silent & let people think you're a fool than to open your mouth & remove all doubt.

Mick/Nipper, all he's got is Independence/Thanksgiving day. & haven't they worked wonderfully for him. He's a JOKE!!!!!

 
 


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