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HYDROGEN POWER
nipper
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"refuelled using a mobile hydrogen refueller at ... Altona" ... so the current effective range is half the vehicle's total range?



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Interesting regarding Shell's actions. Toyota are going into H fueled vehicles and they have, or had, a few operating here

https://www.toyota.com.au/news/toyota-austr...ev-loan-program
Separating H from methane, natural gas, water etc presumably is not done without energy inputs so not sure how clean it really is end to end.







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may well be electric. I think that will be better established before hydrogen...
- a little nugget I picked up (Shell is having a global gabfest in Sydney this week) is that the company intends to roll out an extra 10,000 service stations worldwide in the near future. I'm not privy to the inner details, but I would take this as an endorsement of the current hydrocarbon economy.

Seeing it has taken more than 100 years to 'refine' the service delivery model, one of the headwinds to a renewable or alternate energy source economy would have to be the sheer cost of new infrastructure, especially at the retail, individual consumer, level. I'd reckon any Hydrogen Power developments would first be bulk, aimed at industrial users.

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solar panels on my roof so charge [my] car off that
. And this is another issue - pricing transparency and cross-subsidy. But that's another issue smile.gif




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Australias hydrogen economy – hype or hope?
Last Updated: 25 June 2019
Article by Louise Horrocks, Andrew Bukowski and Michael Roche
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The global focus on hydrogen is likely to be elevated as a result of the upcoming G20 meeting in Japan. Before the meeting a report from the International Energy Agency entitled "The future of hydrogen" which sets out some potential quick wins to advance the hydrogen economy.

By the end of 2019 we are going to have government hydrogen strategies aplenty in Australia. These will need coordination and national leadership. At the same time, the States will inevitably try to outcompete each other.

Finkel says the prime opportunity for Australia is the export of hydrogen to Japan and South Korea. This is going to require a serious investment by both governments and private industry. The prize is worth pursuing, but it is not going to replace the value of our thermal coal exports, for example. Nor will we have it all our own way, with competition for hydrogen exports likely to come from Norway, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

Domestically, we can expect to see a series of FCEV trials supported by car makers like Toyota and Hyundai. Like BEVs, the key will be the availability of fuelling stations. A more likely prospect is the roll-out of hydrogen fuel cell buses, with trials already underway in Europe.

read more - http://www.mondaq.com/australia/x/818660/A...my+Hype+or+Hope

The Future of Hydrogen - Report prepared by the IEA for the G20, Japan
Seizing today’s opportunities
June 2019
Executive summary and recommendations
https://webstore.iea.org/download/summary/2...Hydrogen-ES.pdf





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It will be interesting to see how the competing technologies are in 10 years time. Electric is well established in several countries, but can see how hydrogen makes sense from a fill and go point of view.

There are some big players backing hydrogen fuel cell cars so I expect competition (and confusion).

I'm thinking there is room for both electric and hydrogen and both can do OK depending on the infrastructure built and assistance provided.

I have about 6kw of solar panels on my roof so charge run a car off that for the vast bulk of city driving. Being home most days helps.
The new Nissan Leaf will get about 270km out of a charge and the Hyundai Kona up around 400km. Range anxiety and the time taken for a full charge will be issues for longer trips.

That said, my next small car may well be electric. I think that will be better established before hydrogen becomes more of a thing here.




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Firms adding fuel to hydrogen industry drive
By Zheng Xin | China Daily | Updated: 2019-03-20 08:5
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As the government has been stepping up efforts to develop the country's hydrogen industry, with the development of hydrogen stations for new energy vehicles being included in the Government Work Report, many domestic companies have been actively pushing forward their hydrogen industry layout.


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China had around 1,200 fuel cell vehicles on its roads and fewer than 20 hydrogen fuel stations by the end of 2017, ranking behind the United States, Japan, Germany and South Korea, according to the International Hydrogen Fuel Cell Association.

The Chinese government has set a goal to have 5,000 such vehicles on its roads by 2020, 50,000 by 2025 and 1 million by 2030.

read more - http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201903/20/W...42260b17f1.html



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South Korea unveils hydrogen economy plans
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Ambitious plans to have 80,000 hydrogen (H2)-powered fuel cell vehicles on South Korea’s roads by 2022 were unveiled by President Moon Jae-in today as he announced his government’s determination to build a so-called H2 economy.

The South Korean Government sees H2 as a new engine for economic growth and central in the country’s shift to a low-carbon economy in the long term.

At a government-led event in the southeastern city of Ulsan today, Moon announced a road map which would see the country produce 6.2 million units of fuel cell electric vehicles and build 1,200 refuelling stations by 2040.

The government will provide subsidies for fuel-cell electric taxis and trucks while working with local governments to increase the number of fuel-cell electric buses to 2,000 by 2022. It will also replace all 820 police buses with fuel cell electric buses in 2021.

read more - https://www.gasworld.com/south-korea-unveil...2016332.article



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In Reply To: nipper's post @ Jan 22 2019, 09:46 PM

Interesting.
I wonder how it will affect EDE??
EDE have promoting Hythane, a mixture of Natural Gas and Hydrogen for some years now.
It was the reason that I originally bought into them some years ago.
Hythane's has lower emissions when buret than standard methane, and the hydrogen component increases the "flamability of the mix".
To top it off, they have developed a Pyrolysis project that produces carbon for their nanotube project ass well as Hydrogen.
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Labor has unveiled a $1 billion "national hydrogen plan" to tap a new $10 billion export opportunity.

The plans include a "national hydrogen innovation hub" to make Gladstone – about 500 kilometres north of Brisbane on Queensland's coast – Australia's hydrogen capital and kick-start commercialisation of the long anticipated but elusive energy storage technology.

This will "turbocharge" the fast-growing renewable energy sector by providing clean back-up power for when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining, Labor says.




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Hydrogen power: China backs fuel cell technology - a rival technology to internal combustion engines and electric batteries.

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Attracted by generous government subsidies, a whole suite of companies covering the supply chain have now set up in the park, which is producing hundreds of buses and small trucks using fuel cells that run on hydrogen gas. So successful has it been that local officials now plan to flatten two more hills to create a neighbouring vehicle manufacturing plant and a chemicals facility.


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Beijing has spent an estimated $58.8bn subsidising its electric car industry over the past decade, according to the US-based Center for Strategic and International Studies, creating the world’s largest market for electric cars as well as a dominant position in batteries— surpassing Japan and South Korea. Subsidies have also helped propel Chinese solar makers into the ranks of the world’s largest producers, overtaking competitors in the US and Europe.

Now Beijing hopes to do the same for fuel cells


read more - https://www.ft.com/content/2




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