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nipper
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The Case for Gold
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...physical gold has zero credit risk, is highly Iiquid, has generated strong long-term returns and has proved to be an effective hedge against a range of unpleasant economic outcomes, of which high inflation is just one.

https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wires/gold-...-inflation-myth

plus; Key similarities (4) and differences (7) between the GFC and COVID-19



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"Every long-term security is nothing more than a claim on some expected future stream of cash that will be delivered into the hands of investors over time. For a given stream of expected future cash payments, the higher the price investors pay today for that stream of cash, the lower the long-term return they will achieve on their investment over time." - Dr John Hussman

"If I had even the slightest grasp upon my own faculties, I would not make essays, I would make decisions." ― Michel de Montaigne
 
mullokintyre
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In Reply To: mullokintyre's post @ May 18 2020, 10:18 AM

And just like that, it gets crushed.
First time for six weeks its has been below 2600.
Time for some consolidation, keep ones powder dry until the next run/
The funnymentals have not changed, every CD is QE'ing like there is no tomorrow.
Debasing fiat currencies never ends well.
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mullokintyre
post Posted: May 18 2020, 10:18 AM
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Gold smashed the 1700 USD level, and the asian markets are pushing it towards the 1800 level.
Lifes good.
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mullokintyre
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Gold smashed the 1700 USD level, and the asian markets are pushing it towards the 1800 level.
Lifes good.
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mullokintyre
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Gold smashed the 1700 USD level, and the asian markets are pushing it towards the 1800 level.
Lifes good.
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mullokintyre
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Sprott money are harping on about the iminent collapse of the paper derivitive gold market.
Maybe THIS time they are right.
From Sprott Money


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These are dark times for The Bullion Banks. Their Fractional Reserve and Digital Derivative Pricing Scheme is in great peril as refineries, miners, and mints all shut down in response to the coronavirus pandemic. Will these Banks be able to scrounge up enough physical metal to keep their scheme afloat through June? That remains an open question.

You may recall that we've been warning of the outrageous volume of COMEX EFPs (Exchange For Physical) for years. For the calendar years 2018 and 2019, the COMEX swapped out over 14,000 metric tonnes of contracts for alleged "physical metal" in London. And this process grew even more extreme in 2020, as the first three weeks of the month saw 290,000 COMEX gold contracts "exchanged" this way. Here's the link from the last post dedicated to this subject, written on March 10: https://www.sprottmoney.com/Blog/comex-gold-efp-us...

For today's discussion, let's begin with a brief, simplified summary of how we got here over the past few weeks: • The Banks swap 290,000 COMEX contracts (over 900 metric tonnes) into EFPs in just the first fifteen trading days of March.
The Fed announces QE∞ on Monday, March 23. COMEX gold price soars over $100.
A party or parties seek actual, immediate delivery of COMEX 100-oz bars through EFP.
COMEX must admit that it has no 100-oz bars to deliver on Tuesday, March 24.
CME and LBMA make a joint announcement on Wednesday, March 25 that a new settlement contract will be introduced for Apr20 delivery. This contract will feature "delivery" of fractional ownership of 400-oz London bars.In short, with an unexpected global supply squeeze, the COMEX was caught without enough deliverable gold. Through the change of rules shown above, the exchange (and CME/LBMA) have been able to scrape together enough gold to maintain the illusion of physical delivery thus far through the Apr20 delivery period. But it hasn't been easy. As you can see below, there have already been nearly 30,000 contracts delivered this month...more than 3X the average volume of Aprils past.
As the supply squeeze continues—with many mines and refineries still shut down—the COMEX should expect these delivery issues to continue in May and June. Already we're seeing total open interest of the "non-delivery month" of May20 surge—going from 1,228 contracts late last week to over 4,500 contracts on Monday, April 13. What will happen if this number surges above 10,000 in the days before deliveries begin on April 30?COMEX Search & Seizure - Craig Hemke (April 14, 2020)
COMEX Search & Seizure - Craig Hemke (April 14, 2020)
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April 14, 2020

These are dark times for The Bullion Banks. Their Fractional Reserve and Digital Derivative Pricing Scheme is in great peril as refineries, miners, and mints all shut down in response to the coronavirus pandemic. Will these Banks be able to scrounge up enough physical metal to keep their scheme afloat through June? That remains an open question.

You may recall that we've been warning of the outrageous volume of COMEX EFPs (Exchange For Physical) for years. For the calendar years 2018 and 2019, the COMEX swapped out over 14,000 metric tonnes of contracts for alleged "physical metal" in London. And this process grew even more extreme in 2020, as the first three weeks of the month saw 290,000 COMEX gold contracts "exchanged" this way. Here's the link from the last post dedicated to this subject, written on March 10: https://www.sprottmoney.com/Blog/comex-gold-efp-us...

For today's discussion, let's begin with a brief, simplified summary of how we got here over the past few weeks: • The Banks swap 290,000 COMEX contracts (over 900 metric tonnes) into EFPs in just the first fifteen trading days of March.
The Fed announces QE∞ on Monday, March 23. COMEX gold price soars over $100.
A party or parties seek actual, immediate delivery of COMEX 100-oz bars through EFP.
COMEX must admit that it has no 100-oz bars to deliver on Tuesday, March 24.
CME and LBMA make a joint announcement on Wednesday, March 25 that a new settlement contract will be introduced for Apr20 delivery. This contract will feature "delivery" of fractional ownership of 400-oz London bars.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/exclusive-c...wn-sources-2020
In short, with an unexpected global supply squeeze, the COMEX was caught without enough deliverable gold. Through the change of rules shown above, the exchange (and CME/LBMA) have been able to scrape together enough gold to maintain the illusion of physical delivery thus far through the Apr20 delivery period. But it hasn't been easy. As you can see below, there have already been nearly 30,000 contracts delivered this month...more than 3X the average volume of Aprils past.
As the supply squeeze continues—with many mines and refineries still shut down—the COMEX should expect these delivery issues to continue in May and June. Already we're seeing total open interest of the "non-delivery month" of May20 surge—going from 1,228 contracts late last week to over 4,500 contracts on Monday, April 13. What will happen if this number surges above 10,000 in the days before deliveries begin on April 30?
And what will happen if the next "delivery month" of Jun20 sees more delivery requests than the COMEX is fielding here in April? What if there is a demand for 40,000 or 50,000 deliveries? That would be 5,000,000 ounces. From where would COMEX source the gold then?

For now, an unprecedented disconnect continues to exist between the spot and front month futures price. This is indicative of tight supply and a failure of confidence in future delivery. This was the topic of last week's article. You continue to be told by System Apologists that "the gold is there, it's just in the wrong place". This is alleged to be the reason for the spread in price and the issues at COMEX. Oh, really? If that's the case, then there must be a shortage of silver, too, and it must also be "in the wrong place". The current spread shown below is more than 2% and even larger than the current spot-future spread in gold!
And these Apologists also claim that everything the CME/LBMA does is totally transparent and honest, with the moves such as fractional ownership of London bars just simply a nice new service that The Banks are providing. RRRrrriiiggghhhttt. If that was the case, then why is the CME/LBMA demanding complete secrecy from the CFTC regarding this new arrangement? Thanks to the guys at BullionStar, see the information below:

“COMEX secures secrecy agreement with CFTC under FOIA not to release details to the public of its market maker program for the new 400 oz gold futures contract hatched with LBMA, because ‘Disclosure Would Likely Cause Competitive Harm to COMEX’. Program begins tomorrow April 13. pic.twitter.com/QEuEyGz64m”

— BullionStar (@BullionStar) April 12, 2020
So if everything is just fine , and the delivery issue is simply being caused by gold "being in the wrong place" and the exchanges are forthright and honest brokers, THEN WHY WOULD CME/LBMA DEMAND PROTECTION FROM FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA) REQUESTS?

I'll tell you why... BECAUSE IT'S ALL ONE BIG MASSIVE SCAM! The Bullion Banks have managed a just-in-time delivery scheme through increasingly mind-blowing amounts of promissory notes, delivery receipts, and unallocated accounts. For Pete's sake, the LBMA actually admitted to a total trading volume of 32,255 METRIC TONNES of gold IN MARCH ALONE! That's an annualized run rate of over 380,000 METRIC TONNES or about 135 years of global annual mine supply! WHAT?!?!

“You need to take a second. Stop what you're doing. Let this sink in. In March, the LBMA traded 1.04 Billion ounces of ‘gold’. That's 32,255 metric tonnes. In one month. That's an annualized run rate of 387,060 METRIC TONNES!! 138 YEARS of mine supply.


The last sentence is the most important.
Its that divergence between reality and digital gold that will be the killer.
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mullokintyre
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In Reply To: triage's post @ Apr 14 2020, 08:06 PM

I hope like hell he is a long way ahead of the mark.
If gold does go to 10k an ounce, it probably means that the majority of the societal institutions have failed, and a general sense of anarchy has prevailed.
It doesn't take much for humans to revert to the level of savages, as history has shown.
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David Llewellyn-Smith, one of the main writers at Macrobusiness, today called that gold will go to A$10,000. His bio says he used to be a gold trader but that seems to be a heroic call for me (I would be more than happy if that transpired but...). I'm not sure his prediction carries any more weight than the thousands of others who claim to have the measure of what will and wont do.But I just thought I'd post a marker:


14 April 2020, David Llewellyn-Smith, A$10k per oz.







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Chris Rutherglen‏ @CRutherglen Jan 14

In 1980, the gold price traded at a 70% premium to the model price. During the 2011 top, the price peaked exactly at the model price. This suggest: 1) 2011 was not a bubble, 2) the blow-off-top is still ahead. By 2022, model price should be ~$3000. A 70% premium would be ~$5000.
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David Rosenberg‏ @EconguyRosie 1

Money supply growth is running at 12.2% on a year-on-year basis, the fastest in two decades and ongoing. The world’s above-ground gold stock grows on average by 1%-to-2% per year. Guess what the investment recommendation is from this discrepancy?



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In Reply To: mullokintyre's post @ Apr 5 2020, 12:20 PM

And today looks pretty good as well.
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