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blacksheep
post Posted: Nov 23 2019, 07:56 PM
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Return of short-selling bans: market protection or 'war against truth'?
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NEW YORK/LONDON/ISTANBUL (Reuters) - New moves to curb short-selling in some countries have set the stage for a renewed battle between free market advocates and authorities aiming to check investors they see as profiteers who destabilize major companies.

Turkey’s regulator banned short-selling of seven domestic banks last month after U.S. prosecutors charged state lender Halkbank (HALKB.IS) with Iranian sanctions violations.

South Korea is considering restrictions while European authorities are investigating short-sellers over alleged market manipulation - part of a nascent trend that Carson Block, founder of U.S. short-seller Muddy Waters Capital LLC, decried to Reuters as a “global war against truth.”

Meanwhile, as Brexit looms, authorities in Frankfurt, Rome and Amsterdam could temporarily curb short-selling of companies to counter price swings triggered by the European divorce, officials have told Reuters.


read more - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-m...h-idUSKBN1XT1L3



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nipper
post Posted: Nov 15 2019, 07:18 PM
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A fund manager's view on shorting
https://www.firstlinks.com.au/article/short...0ad48a-83781601
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Shorting deserves more respect




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blacksheep
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In Reply To: blacksheep's post @ Oct 29 2019, 08:28 PM

Good to see
ShortMan @shortmancomau
Oct 30

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After some discussion with the ASX, I have now reinstated all the Alerts and Most Recent Short Sales - however I have had to remove the prices from the stock charts and the volumes from the tabled data. Thanks for your comments and support.




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blacksheep
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Shortman Top 100

I was wondering why Shortman is no longer showing daily short sales, including notable alerts, on their website. Seems they have had a "cease and desist notice" letter from ASIC. This information was very useful - especially the notable alters.

ASIC provide a separate report on their website - but not nearly as informative or user friendly - you have to scroll through some 27 pages https://asic.gov.au/Reports/Daily/2019/10/R...AggShortPos.pdf

https://asic.gov.au/regulatory-resources/ma...-reports-table/

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Unfortunately I have had to remove all Alerts and Most Recent Short Sales data from the site permanently. The graphed short statistics will remain, and they will still be updated with ASIC data daily. Apologies for the inconvenience.

1:35 AM - 24 Oct 2019


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ShortMan@shortmancomau
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Cease and desist notice




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blacksheep
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In Reply To: blacksheep's post @ Oct 23 2019, 03:24 PM

Interesting interview with the woman at the centre of the WiseTech maelstrom - Anne Stevenson-Yang
https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/...20191023-p533em



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joules mm1
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In Reply To: blacksheep's post @ Oct 23 2019, 07:09 PM

thanks



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blacksheep
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In Reply To: joules mm1's post @ Oct 23 2019, 05:44 PM

The short sellers that Shapiro is talking about, and the ones I'm interested in, are the "activist short sellers - they are the ones who try to hunt down companies with weak or even fraudulent business models, bet against them and then expose them. If there were indeed "healthy markets" and no fraud you wouldn't have these guys shorting biggrin.gif

One of the most famous activist shorters is Jim Chanos who uncovered the massive Enron fraud. Chanos has been quite active shortingTESLA, but has been nursing losses on that bet.

Another high profile activist shorter is Carson Block (Muddy Waters) who spotted Bernie Madoff’s fraudulent activity well before his downfall

In Australia in recent years we've had QIN exposed, also BLA - both gone into receivership. SYR was attacked by Viceroy research when it was $7 - they put 70c on it - today the stock is 39.5c. More recently attacks on RFF and WTC. WTC is still ongoing with rebuttals back and forth.









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How's LCT working out for you? lol



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joules mm1
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In Reply To: blacksheep's post @ Oct 23 2019, 03:24 PM

if people can only get the simple concept of two streams of liquidity
bid or buy to open
sell or sell to open
a healthy market is increased by both forms of liquidity travelling thru it
players who are short are forced to cover by bids overwhelming the offer, this forces more liquidity thru the auction
the bottom line is there must be competing liquidity flows
the bids compete to get available supply forcing price up
the offer competes to get available short-sale supply forcing price down
there is no morality to this effort
it is simply supply and demand
the biggest issue is the understanding of this effort, this is a businesslong-only traders and investors have been slowly bled into the knowledge of the two different streams of liquidity
so that's the other issue of a lack of knowledge
most investors forget the work required to be fully informed on buying stocks (etc) but not of how to best utilise the selling of stocks (etc)and while it can be argued that sell-to-open provides no benefit to society (like securitised derivatives)one cannot hide behind naivety of the whole exercise which is to sell something or buy something to make money
...if its ok to buy something (bigger fool theory) to sell onwards to someone else and make moneythen selling something to someone to buy back from someone else and make money, surely, these two things are equal in their practise ?
in the very early days of the Bourse, trading was considered like jazz music was considered, like the anti-horse motor vehicle was considered
people fill in the blanks of ignorance with subjective ethics that have nothing to do with the operation of buying and selling



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blacksheep
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Some comment sense from Johathon Shapiro/AFR

Get Shorty? The market needs short-sellers more than it realises
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Another week, another foreign shorter mucking with our market. This time it's Wisetech Global, the $10 billion technology stock that's the biggest target yet.

Short-seller reports have, for better or worse, become a feature of the landscape, and while there are widespread calls for something to be done about them, that may not be in the broader interests of a well-functioning capital market.

Regulators should not rush to ban short-seller reports for two reasons.

The first is that they go some way towards balancing the bullsh*t ledger. The overwhelming flow of conflicted, misleading or exaggerated information tends to be directed towards boosting a share price.

Whether it's stock promoters at the smaller end of town or brokers at the larger end, it's far easier to make money by convincing the market to buy something than to sell it.

https://www.afr.com/markets/equity-markets/...20191022-p53381



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