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TESLA, The Ambitions of Musk
blacksheep
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In Reply To: Pendragon's post @ Oct 15 2018, 07:33 AM

Are people comparing apples with apples? This is an article dated 2016, but makes interesting points

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But there's no doubt about one thing: Whether or not you love Tesla, the Model S is not the best-selling luxury sedan in America.

Here's the basis for the claim that it is the best-selling luxury sedan in America. During the third quarter, Tesla sold 9,156 units of the Model S sedan, which is indeed more sales than the Mercedes S-Class (4,921), the BMW 7 Series (3,634), the Audi A8 (1,030), the Lexus LS (1,235) and whatever other full-size luxury sedan you want to compare it to. These numbers are indisputable.

There's only one problem: The Tesla Model S isn't a full-size luxury sedan. It's a midsize luxury sedan, and it doesn't actually compete with the cars I've listed above.

Instead, the Model S's closest competitors are cars like the Mercedes-Benz E-Class, the BMW 5 Series, the Cadillac CTS, the Audi A6, the Lexus GS and the Hyundai Genesis.

Consider, for example, its size. The Mercedes-Benz E-Class is 193.8 inches in length, while the larger S-Class is 206.5 inches. The current (outgoing) BMW 5 Series is 196.8 inches in length, while the BMW 7 Series tops out at 205.3 inches. The Model S? It's 196 inches, which makes it shorter than the 5 Series, slightly longer than the E-Class and nearly a foot shorter than some of the full-size luxury sedans with which it supposedly competes.

Next, consider pricing. The base price range on the Mercedes S-Class stretches from $97,600 for a zero-options S550 to $227,900 for a V12-powered AMG S65. The 7 Series ranges from $82,500 for a base-level 740i to $138,000 for a sporty Alpina B7 xDrive.

Meanwhile, the base price range of the smaller E-Class stretches from $53,200 for a base-level E300 to about $106,000 for a top-of-the-line E63 AMG. The BMW 5 Series ranges from $51,200 for a 528i to $95,100 for a high-performance M5.

And the Model S? It starts at $66,000 and tops out at $134,500. That means a base-level Model S is 48 percent cheaper than a base-level S-Class but just 24 percent more expensive than a base-level E-Class. And while it's right in the middle of the BMW sedans, don't forget that all these Model S pricing numbers are before the federal income-tax credit for electric vehicles -- something Tesla openly advertises on its website under the Cash Price section, preferring to quote you a price with the tax credit applied than one without. Right now, buying an electric vehicle gets you $7,500 off your federal income taxes, and that's before any state and local credits. Apply the federal tax credit, as Tesla wants you to, and its pricing is almost neck and neck with the 5 Series and the E-Class.

So the Model S is sized like a midsize luxury sedan, and it's priced like one, too. Why doesn't anyone call the Model S a midsize luxury sedan?

Simple: because Tesla doesn't want them to.


Tesla has fought incredibly hard for media sources to consider the Model S a full-size luxury sedan, for one simple reason: Its sales numbers aren't as impressive if you compare it to more accurate rivals. As I mentioned above, Tesla sold 9,156 units of the Model S during the last quarter. In the same time period, Mercedes-Benz sold 14,672 units of the E-Class. Meanwhile, the 5 Series sold 7,430 units of an aging model nearing replacement. When a redesigned 5 Series last debuted, as it will again in the next few months, it wasn't uncommon to see sales totals well in excess of 5,000 per month -- or 15,000 per quarter. Even the Hyundai Genesis is nipping at the Model S's heels, earning around 2,500 sales per month through 2016.

In conclusion, the Tesla Model S is not the best-selling full-size luxury sedan in the United States because of the simple fact it isn't a full-size luxury sedan. It's not sized like one, and it's not priced like one. Compare it to actual rivals in the midsize-luxury segment, and you'll find the Model S still sells at impressive numbers -- just not quite enough to be No. 1. And for that reason, Tesla will always insist it's a full-size luxury sedan.


https://www.autotrader.com/car-news/tesla-m...luxury-s-258097



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Tesla signs agreement in Shanghai for gigafactory site
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BEIJING (Reuters) - Tesla Inc has signed an agreement with the Shanghai government for an 860,000 square meter plot of land to build its first overseas Gigafactory, the electric carmaker said in a Chinese social media post on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-ch...e-idUSKCN1MR151



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In Reply To: blacksheep's post @ Oct 14 2018, 09:50 PM

And yet it is outselling Mercedes and close to outselling BMWs in USA.

 
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Tesla needs over $1 billion in cash over the next 6 months, and Wall Street is going nuts figuring out where it's going to come from
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/wall-str...0?r=US&IR=T



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she should employ me be her right hand man-----or left hand----fine with me. blush.gif

good on her can see through the bush. i guess she will be one of the shorters whom will has a last laugh .... tongue.gif



 
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Short seller who foresaw Valeant crash now bets on Tesla falling
by Tatiana Darie
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Short seller Fahmi Quadir, who bet against the drugmaker formerly known as Valeant Pharmaceuticals around its peak in 2015, is now betting on a dramatic drop in Tesla shares.

Quadir, the 28-year-old founder of newly launched fund Safkhet Capital, said she initiated a small short position in Tesla stock in July.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...n-tesla-falling
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History is full of company CEO's blaming shorters for their stocks performance, rather than themselves and their actions - including some fraudulent actions. Time will tell if Elon joins them. The more he tweets, the lower TSLA SP goes. Only way to silence shorters is to deliver on promises made, not wage war with them.

Short seller Carson Block of Muddy Waters wants to debate Elon Musk on merits of shortselling - that would be a great debate biggrin.gif
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/muddy-waters-wa...mp;_gsc=2bQR1II
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Greenlight Capital's David Einhorn predicts Tesla will report a "large revenue and earnings disappointment" in its fourth quarter.

"Like Lehman, we think the deception is about to catch up to TSLA," Einhorn said in an investor letter Friday.
https://www-cnbc-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s...up-to-tsla.html



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blacksheep
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He needs to be careful the SP doesn't go too low.

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Lawyers said prior to Musk’s latest tweet that his settlement would probably win approval, though orders such as Nathan’s are not particularly common.

“In and of itself it’s not an ominous sign,” said Jordan Thomas, a partner at Labaton Sucharow and former SEC lawyer. “The vast majority of settlements like this are approved by courts.”

Musk’s barb at the SEC didn’t violate the settlement because he didn’t explicitly criticize as it as being unfair or unwarranted, said Peter Henning, a Wayne State law professor who was formerly an SEC attorney.

As part of Musk’s settlement with the SEC, Tesla is supposed to monitor its CEO’s Twitter posts, but only those that have to do with company news. But that doesn’t mean Tesla’s board can’t order Musk to tone down his Twitter act in the best interests of the company.

“Someone has to get a hold of his Twitter account and stop him,” Henning said.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018...usk-sec-twitter

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Elon Musk has borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars against 13.8 million of his TSLA shares.

It's possible Musk could face a margin call if the stock goes to the $218 neighborhood.

If Musk is unwilling or unable to provide cash or other collateral, his shares could be liquidated.

And liquidation of his shares would create downward share price pressure.

A moderate slide in TSLA shares could quickly turn into an avalanche.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/04/elon-musk-m...settlement.html

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if someone has little bit of share holder in his mind, he won;t doing these things. seems Musk just dosen't give a hood about it.

if the price is lower enough, he might have the chance to do what Micheal Dell did----take his baby to private .



 
 


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