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hi forrest..


i've been doing research trying to find out which company it was..(after seeing that segment on "the new inventors")


now it looks as thou i've found it.


i'll watch the interview with andrew denton..







Am I right in thinking that Dr. Fiona belongs to you folk?


If so, did you notice that she was given a 3 minute segment on "The New Inventors" on ABC last night. Showing off her skin repair kit (in a nice shade of blue).











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Hi All,


As I posted some two years ago, Fiona has to stand down if CCE is to succeed, the conflict of interest is holding this company back, and this aspect has been well and truly reported on, if you care to look. (ie. professional jealousy)


Why is it, that all web references are mainly directed to Dr Zoe, long with the Red Cross grants, and TIS is now listed?? and the recent publicity given to Concorde, which stated that they have the only lab in Australia capable of this procedure, and who,s surgeon has been a very vocal critic of Woods, Fiona must have been on about every TV interview, but no recognition, why???, is there something we don,t know?, personally, I abhor the wasters who are, or have been on CCE,s board, and if you notice, they are disappearing one by one, on a regular basis.


There is also a very important point to consider here, why haven,t CCE commented on, or even acknowledged the past collaboration with J&J,s INTEGRA template, which it seems, was the life saving procedure used in saving that little girl???

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Dr Fiona Wood


When the bombs went off in Paddy's Bar in October 2002, 28 badly burnt survivors were evacuated to the nearest burns unit to Bali at Royal Perth Hospital. There they were fortunate enough to come under the care of a woman for whom healing scarred skin has become a lifetime goal. Her patented invention of spray-on skin has been a significant step towards that goal and has made her the very human face of one of medicine's great journeys. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Dr Fiona Wood.


ANDREW DENTON: Let's go back to October 2002. 28 very badly burned people arrive at your burns unit when I expect, in any given week, you might only be dealing with one or two such cases. Are injuries sometimes so bad that they actually cause you to catch your breath when you see them?


DR FIONA WOOD: Every time. I think if you ever get complacent about the extent of people's suffering, then it's the time, possibly, that you should move on and change your career.


ANDREW DENTON: So every time, you... have to steel yourself?


DR FIONA WOOD: Well, it's the fact that... it's a devastating thing. It's not just the person, but everybody around them, you know. ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¦ And relatively small burns can be extraordinarily devastating from a psychological point of view as well as a physical point of view. It's... something that you can't underestimate and, you know...every single time, I think, "One day we'll be able to do this in a way that they won't have the scars they do currently, for life."


ANDREW DENTON: ... You said a small burn can be devastating. Can you give us an example?


DR FIONA WOOD: Well, it's always very interesting that you think if someone has burnt 50 per cent or 60 per cent or 70 per cent of their body surface area, then you would expect that person to have the most difficulty coping, but it's not always the way. Some people can have very, you know...five per cent, two per cent, one per cent scar that for them is devastating. And everyone's unique and you have to listen to that person. So I don't wear the scar, they do. And it's a question of listening to them - what their problem is, and trying to do the best for that specific individual.


ANDREW DENTON: Bearing in mind that I'm an idiot layman, can you explain to me how spray-on skin works?


DR FIONA WOOD: Well, spray-on skin is something that we've been working on, ooh... it seems like a lifetime... since the mid, early '90s, and we take a little bit of skin from a normal area, non-injured. And that skin is...is programmed for regeneration. I mean, all our skin is. Everybody who's sitting here, you're regenerating your skin, you know. If we're quiet and we hold hands, maybe we'll hear it... It's regenerating.


ANDREW DENTON: I've got the creeps now.


DR FIONA WOOD: Yeah. And we do shed a lot of skin over our lifetime. Someone said 18 kilos. It'd be nice to do that in one hit.




DR FIONA WOOD: But, uh...so we've got this skin that knows how to regenerate. It knows how to repair without scar. But then the injury pushes it too far and a lot of injuries do repair without significant scarring, but then you just tip the balance and we repair with scarring and what we're trying to do with the spray-on skin is take those skin cells that know how to regenerate and have not been primed or triggered to... move down the scar path and put them in the wound where we've got a group of cells that will go down the scar path and we're putting another population of cells there that think, "Hey, guys, maybe we could just move the goalposts." And there is, sometimes, we can move the goalposts towards the less scarring end of the spectrum and that's what it's all about.


ANDREW DENTON: I'm not quite following this. You...you take a small sample of healthy cells. And what do you do with them?


DR FIONA WOOD: ... We take them into the laboratory and expand them over a period of about five days.


ANDREW DENTON: How do you expand skin cells?


DR FIONA WOOD: You feed and grow them.


ANDREW DENTON: How do you feed them?


DR FIONA WOOD: Well, in various... mediums that stimulate the cell cycle. The turnover. And so, then you can harvest them and we harvest them in a very active phase so that when we put them onto the body, the body is then the tissue culture flask.


ANDREW DENTON: You said, "Active phase." What does that mean?


DR FIONA WOOD: They're actively growing.


ANDREW DENTON: They want to do something. Right.


DR FIONA WOOD: When the cells grow in the tissue culture flask - we have plastic boxes - when they grow and they form a sheet, then they change and they start to think about getting thicker, about being waterproof, with the keratin on the surface. So they're quite a different character and not so active on the surface of the skin...of the wound. So when we put them on as the spray, all those guys are really active. They really want to actually connect and they want to get into the wound and they hang on, they migrate, they divide and they spread over the surface.


ANDREW DENTON: So it's about less scarring and stronger, more flexible skin?


DR FIONA WOOD: Yeah, and also, you can cover a bigger area at any one time. I mean, we use it in association with the standard, traditional skin grafts as well. We want to try and get the best out of both worlds. We want to be able to cover as much as we can in one operation because every operation a person has is another bad day in the burns unit, you know. If we can reduce the number of operations and we can get to

the end point quicker, we reduce the pain and suffering that's associated with it and we reduce the scarring. Speed is very important for scarring.


ANDREW DENTON: One of your former patients, Peter Hughes, one of the survivors from Bali, was on this show last year and this is how he described the experience.


PETER HUGHES: When... I woke up, I just couldn't believe it. I just thought, "No human being should go through this." And, I screamed and cried and, I put Leigh under so much pressure I... it was just sickening. It was... The burns situation is something that I'd never thought of.


ANDREW DENTON: The recovery process is extremely painful. Do you marvel at people's pain thresholds?


DR FIONA WOOD: I think every patient I treat is an inspiration to me. I mean, Peter is extraordinary in how he's able to articulate what he's been through... Burn is devastating and everything that happens to that person, from the point of injury till the full rehabilitation, influences the way they'll be for the rest of

their lives. It's a life-defining event. I spent a lot of time trying to teach people not just in the burns unit, but in the wider community... where we go and do a travelling roadshow around WA - which Beth, Liv and a couple of our nurses have been pivotal in - we can teach people in Kununurra, "This is what we want you to do," so that every... hour that goes by, we do positive things to reduce the time, close down the time that they have to suffer and try and get the healing process working as soon as we can because the sooner we can, the less trauma, the better the recovery.


ANDREW DENTON: You talk about the life's impact beyond the physical. What is the emotional impact of a burn?


DR FIONA WOOD: I would cop out here and say, you known as a surgeon, I'm really focused on the physical.


ANDREW DENTON: You know. You know.


DR FIONA WOOD: And it's something that I have, at various times, found almost overwhelming for me personally, because, you know, I often say, like, to Peter, "Look, I can sort out what's on the outside, but, sunshine, what's between your ears, like, you know... I'm out of here." And because it is difficult to understand and to comprehend what people have gone through, I can see it, but I can't feel it. I can influence it, but I can never take it away. One of the groups of people I work with who are absolutely second to none are our social worker, psychologist, psychiatrist. They look after not just the patients but after us as well.


ANDREW DENTON: In what ways have you seen people's lives change after a burn?


DR FIONA WOOD: I think... it's an opportunity, on one level, to redefine who you are and why. You lay in that bed hour after hour. You have dressings, you have pain. More dressings, more pain. Physio, more physio. More pain.... Then you go for surgery, you know. Just a little bit more pain... and we try very hard, I mean, with our pain teams...to give them the best possible care we can in that regard, but there's a lot of time you have to stand and look at yourself and say, "What's important?" And it's quite interesting to me that that's a very common response, to reappraise life. To look at how... how their life could be, you know, changed...


ANDREW DENTON: In the recovery process, it's your job to be totally positive and to keep other people positive. How do you do that?


DR FIONA WOOD: I think...I'm a rabid optimist by nature, I'd have to say. And there's something positive in everything. Just that people don't often look. And even in the situations that are difficult and are...and maybe the patient doesn't survive, there has to be something that we've all learnt, we've all grown from. There has to be something there that you can hang on to that's positive because otherwise, it would just be too erosive to do this kind of work. And...so I'm very much that sort of person that tries to feed on the positive energy and actually tries to... and share it around, you know. Because, you know, "How can we do better tomorrow? What is it we've learnt today? How can we support our patients?" And our social worker recently gave an extraordinary talk on how we as a group can strive for excellence and strive for 100 per cent survival, meanwhile, preparing the patient and the family and everyone around for the situation should it be a non-survivor. And how can we actually balance that... I'm not sure that we achieve that balance because I know I am very positive and very actively positive, but we do have to be realistic as well. And to find that balance is something that is unique in every situation. The concept of someone dying in our unit is something that we have to face. And we have to support the unit around... And I say "the unit" in the widest possible sense. It's not just the people working there, it's the people who've become part of our lives because of this trauma. You know, sometimes the only place to go is around the corner and have a good cry... stiffen your back, and go back and say, "You really did a good job, guys." And they all look, then we all cry together.


ANDREW DENTON: You're obviously a very determined and, as you say, positive person. Do you ever get frustrated with a patient who doesn't want to try and may not want to go through that pain?


DR FIONA WOOD: No. 'Frustration's the wrong word. Because there are people at certain times and we have... Reminds me of one person who is a fantastic lady who survived an extraordinarily massive injury and at times said, "I've had enough." And I said, "Well, I think we could just keep going. I think we could just try a little bit more. Could you just keep trying?" And...she did keep trying. And it was a question of "Why has she had enough? How can we do it differently? How can we do it better? How can we support her through this situation so that she comes back and says, 'Yeah, OK, I can keep going'?" And she gave a talk to our intensive care colleagues not that long ago and came in as... Because our intensive care colleagues don't see patients at the end, they just see the very torrid early phases where, you know, it really is quite difficult for them to comprehend what the people are like when they're back at home. And so she came in and spoke at their research meeting, and said, "Look, I've got grandchildren. I've seen my children marry. Nobody can take that away from me." And, again, the reappraisal of her situation, a physical change, was one thing she had to come to terms with. But she's done it so positively that she is a great ambassador and a great inspiration for others. And it's trying to work out what a person needs. Sometimes...we can't get it right always. Did they need someone like that to come and speak to them?


ANDREW DENTON: You've said that "a scar has to be worth the pain of survival." What does that mean?


DR FIONA WOOD: I think we say the quality of the outcome, the quality of that scar, has to be worth the pain. The quality of the outcome of the scar is on every level, from the outside - what they wear for life - and all the way down onto the inside - what they carry in their heart. And the whole thing has to be worth that pain of survival.


ANDREW DENTON: So what's the Holy Grail for you?


DR FIONA WOOD: Scarless healing.




DR FIONA WOOD: First of all, scarless healing. We're doing some interesting work at the moment. We've applied for grants with our anaesthetic colleagues in the pain team, looking at how we can marry the psychology and the pain treatment and the whole bit. I think that's a harder hit. I think we'll get scarless healing before we can really understand pain and control of pain responses.


ANDREW DENTON: That's the ultimate aim...


DR FIONA WOOD: It'd be nice if it were scarless and didn't hurt, and I'd be on the beach with pina coladas. I'd be redundant. That would be wonderful.


ANDREW DENTON: Actually, you could be, because C3, your company, is...has a market value of the tens of millions, you're a significant shareholder in it. You could presumably cash in and retire, but you're clearly driven by other things, is that right?


DR FIONA WOOD: The motivation for C3 wasn't for me to cash in and retire.


ANDREW DENTON: No, it's for research.


DR FIONA WOOD: It's for research. Research. And that's why the loop is closing and the research foundation will hopefully, before not too long, be self-sustaining. But it wouldn't cross my mind... We've only scratched the surface. Literally. Sorry. But there's a few layers to go. And, you know, I was asked what I believed that burns would be like in 30, 50 years of a group that were making a movie. And...I said, "So I can let my imagination run wild?" They said, "Yes." So I said, "First of all, it'd be... kind of imagine a giant, sort of, high-tech car wash tube. And you would go through this and all your body would be scanned and exactly how much tissue that was damaged would be identified. And then you would go through the next section of the tube and all that dead tissue would be removed. And then the next tube... section of the tube, the skin would be sprayed on or the molecules required to facilitate that tissue-guided regeneration would be sprayed on and you come out the other end regenerated." And interestingly, a lot of the technologies for a lot of those steps is available right here today. It's putting them together and making them effective in a clinical sense that is affordable, reproducible and workable... I mean, so much to do.


ANDREW DENTON: When Death comes for you, Death will be buggered trying to get you off this planet.


DR FIONA WOOD: I hope so.


ANDREW DENTON: Death will go home saying, "She wouldn't come!"


DR FIONA WOOD: I'm banking on that for quite a long time.


ANDREW DENTON: Tell me, are you terrified of the thought of being burnt yourself?


DR FIONA WOOD: No, personally... but for my children. And one of the stories I tell when I'm teaching first aid is that when my eldest boy would be about five or six and I came out of the bedroom early in the morning and saw the black cup of coffee going down his chest. And I grabbed him in a half-nelson. We were in the shower and...cold shower. I was in my pyjamas and he's screaming and carrying on, "Dad, she's freezing me to death!" And...and my husband came out of the room, out of the bedroom, and he said, "That was last night's coffee. We haven't even put the kettle on yet." So I was in overdrive, yeah.


ANDREW DENTON: Fiona Wood, you are a life force. Thank you so much.


DR FIONA WOOD: Thank you very much

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Got no idea what's happening there. But based on previous history of CCE, there may be an announcement on Monday (or in the short term), then a selloff immediately after it?


Just a guess, but wouldn't mind it running through 60 cents this time.


TA looks great, that's for sure!



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