Na$a Posted February 10, 2005 Share Posted February 10, 2005 In reply to: sabretoothed on Thursday 10/02/05 05:05pm sabretooted, i am not a chart literate - care to run down what all those flashy graphs meaned? the last long green stick looks good thou. http://www.ShareScene.com/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brunosch Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 In reply to: Na$a on Thursday 10/02/05 09:12pm Hi, You may want to read the whole posting and respond to what this person had to say about CTF at the CMQ thread: QUOTE Re CTF: Not only don't they have any IP, they don't intend to either (prospectus); they intend their formula to remain secret, so obviously no patents. This means that it is not possible for an independent scientific study to be conducted because it is not possible to confirm that the ingredients in the formulation used in the trial are the same as that marketed. It would be quite consistent with their secret formula to conduct a trial with added CMQ or an antibiotic.Very sick? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9_ Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 In reply to: brunosch on Monday 14/02/05 10:25am bruno & neo, saber has been bagging cmq and promoting ctf shamelessly on other sites. From his posts I think he is of the opinion that ctf is a direct competitor for cmq - this is just fantasy. ctf appears to have a number of good products and may well be a good investment in the long term (todayÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¾ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢s sp movement notwithstanding) however would not confuse it with cmq's market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo99 Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 In reply to: brunosch on Monday 14/02/05 10:25am Bruno, What would you expect when your favourite canine friend posts on the CMQ thread: QUOTE CMQ making any money yet? Whats the market cap lol and QUOTE $1.50 broken again, and interesting its competitor CTF up 18.75% Is CMQ in trouble again? Grow up. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonco Posted February 14, 2005 Share Posted February 14, 2005 In reply to: neo99 on Monday 14/02/05 11:57am Hi K9 & Bruno, While Neo is defending the indefensible here, the matter is settled as the poster is dignified enough to apologise for his mistake, ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sorry, I could have expressed that better. I have no grounds whatsoever for thinking that CTF would do thatÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ÂÂ. Some one has to grow up and learn that there are certain things that are just unacceptable and indefensible. Cheers, Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo99 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 In reply to: gordonco on Monday 14/02/05 01:41pm Hi Gordonco, I'm not defending anyone. I just think it's a bit hypocritical of bruno, considering he and sabretoothed insist on discussing(promoting) CTF on the CMQ board: QUOTE Bruno: In reply to: steeler on Thursday 10/02/05 08:00pm hello stealer, QUOTE: Responding to sabretoothed's posting that CTF is a competitor: hello sabretoothed, Yes,they would be a competitor,only, if one likes orange flavoured chickens.The only similarity that i can see between these 2 companies is that they are both Australian :END QUOTE Have you consider removing those CMQ stickers from the orange-coloured lenses in the glasses that you are wearing? Hopefully with a bit of luck, you can then see that these 2 companies do have more than just Australian origins. I repeat some of the CTF representations below: POULTRY REARING The use of Citrofresh in many phases of poultry rearing has shown outstanding results. These results arise from great improvements that have been made possible in bird health with the use of Citrofresh. Furthermore, due to the use of Citrofresh, there have been large reductions in bird deaths caused by feed problems and disease. The number of breeders brought to market has been proportionately increased and there is a definite reduction in time from farm to market for a given weight increase target. CITROFRESH BIOCITE Citrofresh Biocite is a powder designed for oral administration in the daily feed ration either as part of the pellet ingredients or mixed into the finished ration on farm for flexibility of dosage. Citrofresh Biocite is specially formulated for ease of administration to intensive livestock systems where individual dosage regimes may not be feasible. Citrofresh Biocite is a natural well tolerated anti-microbial combined with an immune stimulant and essential minerals, which can be used in the presence of disease in livestock. And if you are interested to read about CTF, their website is:http://www.citrofresh.com/other_prod/biocites.php I have nothing against CTF or bruno/sabretoothed - CMQ/CTF discussions should remain on their appropriate boards. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sabretoothed Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 If you think CTF is not a competitor to CMQ, why not have a look at their website? No wonder they are worried lol http://www.citrofresh.com/other_prod/biocites.php http://www.citrofresh.com/other_prod/killlist.php Product Range Citrofresh Biocite ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡Ãƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’â€Â¦ÃƒƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…âہ“ Livestock Citrofresh Biocite ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡Ãƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’â€Â¦ÃƒƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…âہ“ Avian Citrofresh Biocite - Aqua Citrofresh Biocite Justification Widespread use of antibiotics is a major contributing factor to antibiotic resistant bacteria in our ecosystem Trend to use ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“naturalÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ products Citrofresh Biocite is made entirely from FDA GRAS constituents Citrofresh Biocite has performed well in laboratory and field trials Citrofresh Biocite is very cost effective Citrofresh Biocite Citrofresh Biocite is a powder designed for oral administration in the daily feed ration either as part of the pellet ingredients or mixed into the finished ration on farm for flexibility of dosage. Citrofresh Biocite is specially formulated for ease of administration to intensive livestock systems where individual dosage regimes may not be feasible. Citrofresh Biocite is a natural well tolerated anti-microbial combined with an immune stimulant and essential minerals, which can be used in the presence of disease in livestock. Citrofresh Biocite can be used at times of stress or anticipated disease outbreaks which can often be predicted during the intensive production cycle. Citrofresh Biocite can be used in conjunction with other control measures such as vaccination, to reduce the problems associated with the handling stress of this procedure. Citrofresh Biocite is suitable for administration where there are multifactorial diseases which may not respond to conventional treatments. Citrofresh Biocite is a broad spectrum anti-microbial, effective against a range of organisms including Gram positive and Gram negative bacteria. The combination of natural anti-microbials with immunostimulants marks a dramatic step forward in the improvement of livestock health. The two phase approach of attacking the infection while stimulating the animal's own defence mechanism makes for an effective and efficient method of controlling disease. KEY COMPONENT A bioflavonoid complex made from citrus fruit pulp extracts. With potent anti-microbial activity. It is rapidly biodegradable. No harmful residues. GRAS classification from FDA in America (Generally Regarded As Safe) Non Toxic and Non Tainting Contributory Components Citrofresh Biocite contains a rich source of ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Â âââہ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¸-(1-3/ 1-6) - glucan, which has been consistently shown in multitudes of studies as a stimulator of the immune system. It has the ability to activate macrophages, and other white blood cells that have the ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Â âââہ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¸ - glucan receptor on their surface Only ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Â âââہ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¾Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¸ - (1 - 3/ 1 - 6) - glucan interacts with the CR3 protein on macrophages to trigger the immune system Yeast Extracts Well documented beneficial effects on the immune system l contain glucans which stimulate defence cells. They also contain mannan - oligosaccharides which protect the intestinal lining. Contains humulones and iso ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡Ãƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’â€Â¦ÃƒƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…âہ“ humulones from beer hops, which also act as a bactericide. Alginates Supply a wide range of essential micronutrients immunostimulant properties contain trace elements such as iodine which act as immune modulators. How to Administer Citrofresh Biocite Animals - Poultry, Pigs, Cattle & Sheep l(Biocite Livestock & Biocite-Avian) Use at a rate of 2kg of Citrofresh Biocite per tonne of feed daily. It can either be included prior to pelletting or extruding or can be used as a top-dressing directly on to finished feed (addition of an edible oil can aid adhesion of Citrofresh Biocite to the finished feed.) We recommend that you administer Citrofresh Biocite for at least 10 consecutive days minimum. When disease pressure is higher than normal, administration may span up to a 4 ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡Ãƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’â€Â¦ÃƒƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…âہ“ 6 week application, followed by a 3 week layoff. Citrofresh Biocite can be given at any time during the production cycle right up to slaughter. It is especially beneficial for very young or weak animals. Store in a cool dry place in the original container with the lid firmly closed. Protect from excessive humidity or dampness. Poultry Rearing The use of Citrofresh in many phases of poultry rearing has shown outstanding results. These resultsarise from great improvements that have been made possible in bird health with the use of Citrofresh Furthermore, due to the use of Citrofresh, there have been large reductions in bird deaths caused by feed problems and disease. The number of breeders brought to market has been proportionately increased and there is a definite reduction in time from farm to market for a given weight increase target. By using Citrofresh, the same reduction in deaths caused by disease has been observed. Increases in egg production have also been observed due to the elimination of intestinal problems arising from bacterial contamination of feed. Citrofresh is most effectively applied in two separate forms during poultry rearing, firstly as a liquid addition of Citrofresh 14W to the water supply for the birds and secondly as a direct solid food additive in the form of a yeast based product (ÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’‚¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã¢â‚¬Å“Biocite-AquaÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâ€Â â€â„¢ÃƒƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬Ãƒâ€Â¦ÃƒÆ’‚¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’Æâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒÂ¢Ãƒ¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚ÂÂ). The remarks above on the cleaning and sanitisation uses of Citrofresh for working surfaces and buildings can be applied with equal force to poultry breeding and living areas. Where the poultry are processed after slaughtering, the application of Citrofresh14W at low levels of concentration gives demonstrably, increased shelf-life, and reduces loss due to spoilage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordonco Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 In reply to: neo99 on Tuesday 15/02/05 12:33pm Grow up! This is sharescene forum for discussing shares. This is not the CMQ boxing ring with red and blue corners. http://www.ShareScene.com/html/emoticons/grrr.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo99 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 In reply to: gordonco on Tuesday 15/02/05 01:51pm Settle gordo ... Then don't make it one. http://www.ShareScene.com/html/emoticons/hypocrite.gif neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theadder Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 come on posters, keep the personalities out of it. Let's get back on subject we do not want to have to moderate here. Enjoy your posting without the "niggling" comments which can only create a problem Let's all be happy posters....and it's not hard http://www.ShareScene.com/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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