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The VCRs product can work was not equal to that can have gain the market.


it is the ordinary level product merely, has not lacked it not to be possible the distinctive quality, does not have the technical distinctive quality and the monopolization.


therefore under the market competition link boundary, it may survive, may also be defeated.


in brief, has it not to be many, lacks it many.


Why is so negative in Australian and the European market performance, signal is actually outstanding in the American market performance?



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In reply to: lei88 on Thursday 30/10/08 07:50pm

Hi Lei


Excellent post. Of couse there is nothing to say that the USA market will accept the product when it is an absolute failure in Europe and Australia.


But I would suggest that right now this is the least of our worries. The fact is that we small shareholders will not be around for much longer. The capital raising will be a failure.

You would have to be an absolute fool to give this mob any money. Live the good life for so long and then when things get tough they got the cheek to put out an announcement on how they are going to try and preserve money and please give us some more. Now do you guys understand why I have been posting about cash burn for so long? Responsible Directors look after cash burn at all times not only when things get tough. But these guys are anything but responsible.


This company will head the same way as others with dishonest directors. Shorthly we will see a 1 for 10 capital consolidation. It will be quickly followed up by a placement to a priviliged few. Fat piggies will go on, and we can enjoy the crumbs.


Good luck all.











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In reply to: Avenger on Friday 31/10/08 05:31am



I just inquisitive about your suggestion, so, please don;t mis-understand this post, as I have to admit, I am struggling to find financial and possibly legal validity to it............


Assuming you are correct, by what right can they do that?? These SH would have paid for a full 10 shares and out of the blue they tell them that the shares (slice of the company), which they fully paid for, no long has value??? Without any compensation??...Is this legal??...What would ASIC have to say about this??





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QUOTE (Cruising @ Friday 31/10/08 12:47pm)

a 1:10 consolidation is just a way of reducing the number of shares BUT does not affect the market capitalisation.


ie: a 1:10 would make VCR shares worth 79c each (as i type)


the dilution of your value would come from creating new shares and selling them to raise more money to continue.


is the consolidation legal = yes (it makes no difference either way)

is the capital raising legal = yes (with some limitations)

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In reply to: Avenger on Friday 31/10/08 05:31am

avenger if the capital raising is a failure then they consolidate 1 for 10 then we would be back to only 30 million on issue. How many would they expect to be able to place with sophisticates with the way the company has gone in the past couple of years.

Would think most would be very apprehensive in shelling out.

Even more so with the events over the past 12 months in general with the markets.

Think they would not be too happy in just letting the fat piggies go on!!!

There comes a point when even the sophisticates will say now come what do we get in return? More of the same........ Unlikely

Going to be very interesting the next few months that's for sure


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In reply to: wolverine on Friday 31/10/08 12:03pm

Thanks Wolverine. Reading Avenger's post, I got the impression that the consolidation will result in lost capital. It's just the way it read to me.


You explanation is fine Although the prospects are horendous!!!!..........


There are quite a few people that purchases a large amount of shares at a high price (myself included). The only hope these folks have of recouping their funds, is if the same number of shares return to, or close to, the same as the price they bought it.


If the number of shares are reduced, then for these people to get anywhere neer their original value, is to wait for the SP to climb 30 to 40 fold!!!


Also, what would happen to the SP, would it spike from 0.07 to 0.70 cents??...If so, we are in for another ride DOWN on this roller coaster!!!


Investing in the company has been the worst mistake I have ever made.

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In reply to: Cruising on Friday 31/10/08 12:31pm


Consolidation usually follows with a pull back in priceÃÆâ€â„¢ÃƒÆ’ƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¢ÃƒÆ’¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢Ã¢â€š¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¬ÃƒÆ’…¡Ãƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¬ÃƒÆ’â€Å¡Ãƒƒâہ¡ÃƒÆ’‚¦and we don't need that like a hole in the head.


Interesting, there's quite a few on the buy side ... do they consider its a bargain at these levels http://www.sharescene.com/html/emoticons/icon14.gif


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In reply to: veeone on Friday 31/10/08 12:18pm

I honestly do not see any sophisticated investors shelling-out more fund, simply due to the lousy performance of the Board in just about every aspect - PR, Commercialisation (ignoring EU & Oz in leiu of US), lack of support (buying of shares by directors), and the ever so disgusting execuse of dumping their share to avoid a tax problem.......


The Soph. Inv. are not stupid. The board can claim any reason it likes for the situation they are in (and I expect the credit crunsh will be the major execuse touted at the pending AGM), but the Sophos know what's what and without some strict conditions, no one is going to touch them.


Lets' put it this way, they would not have opted for a capital raise through retail investors, if they can secure it through sophos...This means no one is even willing to talk to them.

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In reply to: clifton on Friday 31/10/08 01:09pm




Posted your link on the silver thread, mullokintyre made an interesting post countering the link. Very fair comments and suggesting the Aussie will be supported around the 60's level.









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