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  1. SAVA seems an amazing fit for SLA, when you go through their mission, values, trajectory and strategy. They have an affiliation in Russia as well. Be nice to see SLA supply to such companies as part of an integrated approach in their commercialisation. SAVA are a good example of a company who are part of a new paradigm in living health approach. Looking forward to some news!
  2. I was referring to an order of a mix of products, not just gel. The gel is good for at least 12 months past expiry on tube.
  3. Hi Access, You forgot to take into account economies of scale in both your wine and pharmacy purchases. Try a bulk order and you might have a win on the postage.
  4. The story was published 3/11/2010. Top left hand corner. Thanks for the link.
  5. Great post Kahuna, What goes on to commercial success is not necessarily representative of best practice. It has more to do with those who hold power, manipulating the variables via messaging that maintains status quo through ignorance and fear. (I am using ignorance to mean ignoring, not stupidity) (I am using fear as an acronym False Evidence Appearing Real) One of the best examples of this was done by the emerging plastics industry in the 1930's with displacing hemp as a material that could be used for almost anything. Hemp is fast growing and ecologically sound. Industrial hemp contains miniscule levels of THC. The plastics industry created a scare campaign twisting the truth of the matter knowing that fear would do the rest. This strategy has caused untold damage to the planet, but because it is now no longer questioned and it is just a matter of counting the money for those who hold the power. Bioeffective A is the best product in the market for those wishing to maintain optimal health because it acts foundationally. Gut, liver, blood, detox, ANS, CNS, PNS. However the public are educated around a 'cure.' The interconnectedness of the internet is changing the way that we do business in the world rapidly, which means it is much more difficult to use deception as a means of holding power. Although lowest common denominator strategy still dominates. SLA continues to morph in an attempt to gain market traction. The next phase in this amazing (I am using amazing based on its etymology of being caught in a maze) story will determine, whether highest common denominator can strike a blow in the market place.
  6. Hi P3, What are your top 5 recommendations for marketing and selling bioeffectives online? I had a look at the Mercola site and it would seem that an integrated health site, with bioeffectives for sale, along with other living health products and practices would do well. Particularly if Vagif and other holistic practitioners were involved. Could evolve into an international site over 1-3 years? What would you do?
  7. The sniper, snipes again. Sitting in his tree from his 'all-seeing' vantage point. Waiting to strike when a comment does not fall within the scope (pun intended) of his preferences.
  8. Thanks for the article Alethia, fascinating confluence of events leading to the situation for the demand for Ropren. This acceptance, as well as leading to health and wellness benefits, could instil a pride in a product that has been developed at home, with historic underpinnings. Victor Roschin may very well go down in history as a pioneering scientific genius, for his work on isolating the extraction of polyprenols. I think Livas called the situation in Russia, 'a perfect storm', a while ago. From a big picture perspective, this is a very good call.
  9. It wasn't my intention to point to the mechanisms of action of Ropren. It would seem that you are much better placed to do that. My intention was to point to the myth of 'cause and effect' because it over simplifies the confluence of factors acting on all of us at all times. For example; 'What is the cause of the cause?'
  10. Your objection is actually supportive of the points made in the post with the exception that you neglected to ask the question; 'Do you see the living systems view in opposition to the medical view? The capacity to see/understand that a living systems view is transcendent of a mechanistic/reductionist view is only possible when you become more interested in integration over differentiation. It is not superior or better, just higher because it is more subtle. All developmental trajectories develop from gross to subtle and evolution in all its forms have developed following the principle of 'transcend but include'; that is, the ingredients of the lower level create the causes and conditions for the higher possibility.
  11. In a living system, there is no such thing as a cure. There can be an intervention that acts to prevent further harm, or block or inhibit an action, but none of these constitute a cure. Antibiotics, surgery, better understanding of hygiene, and pharmaceuticals are all examples of breakthroughs that the medical model does well. They are all gross interventions and come at a considerable cost to function, freedom, and with side effects in the overall system. The reason we like to drink alcohol, is that it relaxes the central nervous system via its depressive effect. It also helps us to avoid looking at the pain in our lives while inebriated (some of the time). The addiction to alcohol is multifactorial and should not be over simplified. The reason Ropren can be effective to someone suffering from alcoholism, is that it represents a 2 fold opportunity. Regeneration of liver and brain cells via its potency through the dolichol phosphate cycle, and the ability to create a window to overcome the addiction because of the experience of vitality and wellness in the subject. This window only remains open if the motivation to not abuse alcohol again remains strong. This requires supportive networks. The post conventional living systems paradigm accepts behaviour and lifestyle change as part of a cycle of maturity, where choice and consequence are understood and the educative and supportive networks are integral to living well. The bioeffectives range represents one of the first entry points of divergence away from 'stop this bad thing happening' to an 'opportunity for meta health', along with other lifestyle factors. The 'meta health/anti-aging' market represents a significant opportunity for SLA, once the products are better understood. Any long-term users of bio A on this forum are already living testament to this possibility.
  12. What you actually want is certainty, and it doesn't exist.
  13. Hi Jezzaboot, The word or inference to a problem with double blind, cross over control studies, is not in my post, it is an interpretation from you. The connection I was making was in relation to 'deep understanding' The research on CGNC is now over 80 years long. The science is intimately familiar with the cross-section of all known possibilities, that can simply not come out of short duration trials. A Living Systems View is not in contrast to a Conventional View, it has emerged out of it. Just as the informational age has emerged from industrialisation. I am pointing to a directionality or trajectory that when understood by a growing percentage of the world population can mean that products of high biological value can become a significant part of the marketplace for such items.
  14. Good pick up Livas, similar to possible agreement with India. The characteristics underpinning a Living Systems model is increasing integration, interdependence, self-other construction, recognition of assumptions and deep understanding (which is what Russian research in this area has been built on. Not 6-10 week trials based on comparison. Which is again mainly looking for side-effects). The Conventional View is transcended but included. Living Systems view is starting to be fast-tracked through Climate Change, Renewable Energy and of course the internet has been the main driver of the whole thing. Potency of Living Elements of Pine is not difficult to understand from a Living Systems View, but it is if you are looking Conventionally, because the rules pertaining to Convention have been transcended. The change in view in relation to what constitutes good research and clinical practice becomes less rigid and therefore we begin to get living agreement. Self-Interest Power Groups (big pharmaceuticals) start to get on board because of the realisation that they will be left behind. Pharmacies are stocking bigger and bigger ranges of natural products, because of the limitations and harm caused by single action pharmaceutical intervention. ie. My pain is gone but Ive got a whole set of new problems, starting with my Liver. There is no way around this anymore, because the complexity of difficulties facing the planet and human kind are demanding behaviour change at all levels, and people are beginning to take responsibility for self. When enough people start to do this, Governments make changes. Next 3-6 months will be fascinating.
  15. What continues to be interesting about this forum, is the avoidance of understanding the bioeffectives story by looking at the facts of the products, and understanding the inherent difficulty in the paradigm change required in order for these products to be commercially successful. I have suggested to posters on this forum to be systematic in the integrated use of the products, and to tell as many people possible in as many different ways as possible about your living experiments. The reason this view is post-conventional is that you are not waiting for an authority figure in a white coat to tell you what to do. You understand the facts clearly and make an informed living decision based on the facts. First prize is better health. Second prize (if it happens) is an investment in this view does well commercially. In both cases you have direct involvement.
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