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  1. Nathan What is your point? Do you have a spine? I am making a point for share holders. We cannot trade. simple as that. We are the ones who lost our money and the ASX chooses us to punish. If the accounts have not been prepared is that my fault? If the Directors choose not to keep you informed is that my fault? ASX and ASIC should get together and start punishing rogue directors rather than innocent share holders. You support of the suspension on the basis that we don't know the outcomes of certain events. If that argument were to stand, how come we can trade any exploration company at all? Do we know the result of explorations before hand? Of course not. We trade on information we have and we make a decision on that. The issue is not what we don't know, but rather that we cannot take a position. What are you going to argue if the company goes into liquidation and you have not been given a chance of recuperating any of your investment? Go back on this site when I argued this same story a couple of years back with ABC. Same arguments from tame goody goody share holders about rules etc. They lost all their money. No director is in jail. Thankfully I had no shares in that Regards
  2. Hi Melua Thanks for confirming my posting on the real reason for the suspension. The ASX and ASIC are the lap dogs of Directors rather than the watch dogs. Under the ASX listing, the granting of the original trading halt due to the pending announcement of the financing arrangement was B.S. A trading halt under the rules is given when the halt is necessary if there is information the market is unaware of. The search for finance was well known to the market. The subsequent suspension is pure B.S. also. Listing rule 17.1 says that there has to be a reason for the suspension and 17.2 says that there has to be a time to the suspension. We have not been given a reason for the suspension. What is there that the market in not aware of? According to the lap dogs at the ASX the term "suspended indefinitely" suffices for 17.2. These guys live in ga ga land. In fact, the only thing the market is unaware of is that they have not lodged the accounts which is not only an offence under the ASX rules, it is also an offence against the ASIC rules. But instead of going after the Directors for not doing their duty, they go after the share holders who are already the victims. And a pompous fool on this site had the temerity once to tell me that Australia had the best regulations in the world. "Pear"
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    ABS

    In reply to: wolverine on Sunday 09/11/08 08:19pm Hi Wolf I must admit, you sound pretty smart to me! http://www.sharescene.com/html/emoticons/devilsmiley.gif Regards Avenger
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    ABS

    In reply to: farmer fred on Saturday 08/11/08 08:23pm Excellent Post Farmer Fred. Now add the following, Since Reagan and the advent of neo conservatism, there has been massive redistribution of income from the masses to the few on top. The Gap between rich and poor has widened dramatically. This has been caused by giving the rich massive tax cuts (ala Bush and Howard) and increasing taxes on the lower income earners. Add to this the accumulated wealth of the nation being flogged off (privatised). Add to this speculators forcing the price of oil to $145 and what do we get? The end of capitalism. And why? Because they just do not understand what makes a capitalist system work. Regards Avenger
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    ABS

    In reply to: wolverine on Saturday 08/11/08 05:35pm Now Now Wolf Sarcasm is not your better side. If we don't understand what we got, how can we protect it? An economic system works within a society. A society has rules and regulations. Or are you proposing that we do away with all regulations of society? I think not. All I am saying is that to have an efficient capitalist system running, we need to understand what make it work. Neo conservatives since Reagan actually thought they were working for capitalism. In fact they were not. They have laid the seed for its destruction. And unless we understand this and stop the rot, we will end up with a similar fate as the Russian or Chinese revolutions. I can be sarcastic also and say that Chinese and Russian (99% of both population) living in semi fuedal states (read semi slavery) prior to the revolutions proves that a captalism society does not work. There were regular famines then also. But who gave a shit about the peasants? Regards Avenger
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    ABS

    In reply to: Twobees on Saturday 08/11/08 04:45pm Hi Twobees Exactly. Its called a mixed economy. There are some things that Entreprenuers can run much better than governments and there are somethings which only govenments will provide. So do you know the answer to the question I have raised? Regards Avenger
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    ABS

    In reply to: forrestgump on Saturday 08/11/08 07:34am Hi Forrest In case no body has told you, it is the Capitalist system which has just collapsed and if not for a Socialist type rescue, it would not get back up. Interesting that it was the well efficient run capitalist ANSETT which went into liquidation and not the inefficiently Govenment run Qantas. And it went into liquidation at a time of high regulation. Imagine if it had to compete! We won't mention other Ineffiently run organisations like the Commonwealth Bank, electricity utilities, airports, Telstra etc etc. All set up by "Socialistic" goverments (I wonder how Menzie would feel like being called a socialist) and have had fund managers and merchant banks falling over themselves to buy them at stupid prices from neo conservative govenments. But let's leave ideology aside. Answer me one question. What is the fundamental difference between a Capitalist System and a Socialist System? Don't forget, we are talking about economics here not politics. I agree 100% with you that we can have an efficiently run capitalist system and an ethical system running side by side. Where we get it wrong is that neo conservatives just do not understand what makes a capitalist system work. Regards Avenger
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    ABS

    To the small number of ABS workers who tried to earn a decent wage and condition by unionising and the subsequent pesecution by this copmpany, I hope you feel vindicated. To Howard and his henchmen who could invent draconoian laws against unions (who in case no one ever bothered to check, are Australian people) but sneered at suggestions to rein in corporate greed, I hope you are satisfied with the mess you have created. Who are you going to blame now? Do you in fact care when the fat piggies walk away with millions after causing all this with your collaboration? To the shareholders of this company, I do feel sorry for you. I truly do. You have done your money cold. In future you may want to consider the ethics of your Board of Directors. Regards Avenger
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    VCR

    In reply to: wolverine on Friday 31/10/08 12:03pm Hi Wolv Thank you for your post. What you say is correct. Theretically, you only lose the number of shares but the value stays the same. Theoretically! My experience is that in most cases the share price drops back to about the same level it was. In other words it results in massive destruction of value. I know of only two cases where the share has appreciated to the equivelant value. Packer consolidating Bond Media and Pacific Dunlop. But even these are failures. Pacific Dulop was trading at $2.20 pre its 1 for 5 consolidation, and paying a $0.20 dividend. Ansel is now at $12 and paying a $0.26 dividend. And the funny thing is, I have had one of the best and respected poster on SS calling me a fool to suggest that its been a failure. He actually thinks the dividend return is the same! I just don't understand how anybody could think that at these levels VCR is a bargain. It may well be and its your money but I would suggest that you try and answer Lei question before you give these fools your hard earned cash. We still have a long way to go before approval and then there is no guarantee that they will be commercially successful in the USA. Itis still a gamble in my view. I would have thought that in the present market there are plenty of bargains which are not a gamble. Regards Avenger
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    VCR

    In reply to: lei88 on Thursday 30/10/08 07:50pm Hi Lei Excellent post. Of couse there is nothing to say that the USA market will accept the product when it is an absolute failure in Europe and Australia. But I would suggest that right now this is the least of our worries. The fact is that we small shareholders will not be around for much longer. The capital raising will be a failure. You would have to be an absolute fool to give this mob any money. Live the good life for so long and then when things get tough they got the cheek to put out an announcement on how they are going to try and preserve money and please give us some more. Now do you guys understand why I have been posting about cash burn for so long? Responsible Directors look after cash burn at all times not only when things get tough. But these guys are anything but responsible. This company will head the same way as others with dishonest directors. Shorthly we will see a 1 for 10 capital consolidation. It will be quickly followed up by a placement to a priviliged few. Fat piggies will go on, and we can enjoy the crumbs. Good luck all. Regards Avenger
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    VCR

    Hi All What's going on here? I see you have all become little "Avengers" I feel like the proverbial Prophet in the desert. We individual shareholders are like sheep to be fleeced. And it only happens because the majority of shareholders are happy to live in a cocoon of ignorance and apathy. And if anybody shouts and tries to stir them ouyt of their apathy, they will deride him. And yet, we individual shareholders have more power than you all think. Have a look at my last post on GPT. How many holders have commented? Regards Avenger
  12. In reply to: macrae on Monday 21/07/08 06:23pm Hi Macrae Are you still holding like me? Are you happy about finding out about the issue from the press rather than your Directors? The price dropped from $1.60 to $1.05 very quickly. Did you see an ASX query? The Disclosure ruler state that Directors have to disclose to the market "when they become aware" of any material....." Is anybody going to argue that a 1.1 issue at a 2/3 discount to the market is not material? So when did they become aware? They have already prepared the prospectus! So are we to believe that the Directors sat yesterday, decided to make an issue, arrange underwriters and produce the prospectus all on the same day? And then there is the fact that Dividends are slashed from $0.20 to $0.072. This is not a 50% reduction because of the dilution. In other words they had revised the dividend from $0.20 to $.14. When did they become aware of this and when was it disclosed? So, any poor bastard who has bought in the last month or so has been fleeced because they have bought in a market in which the Directors have deliberately withheld information. This is the type of Bull S...... which I have been beating my head against the wall for years. ASIC and ASX are an absolute joke. Regards Avenger
  13. In reply to: Twobees on Saturday 18/10/08 03:28pm Hi Twobees Hope yo have a nice job and you are young. Consider if you are in you 60's and you wanted to retire. Your super has been decimated. That means you would end up on the pension. And who pays for that? Consider if you are young and have just taken a mortgage and you worked for Ford and have just been retrenched. Consider if you will lose your job and are forced on the dole. Consider that things are so bad that the Goverment has seen fit to blow $10B to avert a full blown out depression. Consider that the just about every bank in the world is bankrupt. Shall I go on? And what has brought this about? Banks and hedge funds speculating on oil. If this is your idea of "doing us a favour", well mate I would hate to think of what you would do to anybody who crossed you. Regards Avenger
  14. In reply to: Twobees on Saturday 18/10/08 07:56am Hi Twobees Wash your mouth out! Speculators? No such a thing! Haven't you read the experts on this site? You can't take a position on oil because every position opened has to be delivered! So how can you have speculators? Why if you look carefully at the analysis here you will be referred to funds brilliant analysis of why they taking position on oil is good and it keeps the price down. What are you a coomie or something?..... woa woa hang on a sec, I forgot, everybody is a socilist now, what are you a capitalist or something? You belong on a nutter farm! And you can be assured that you will have no stud duties. Avenger
  15. In reply to: henrietta on Thursday 02/10/08 03:46pm LOL Henrietta Had to google that! Done deal! I think the Commonwealth Bank would qualify. Is that good enough? Oh, and just for a sweetner, I'll throw in a clause that 'whatever action you take cannot be looked at or questioned by any present or future body thereby making you immune to any prosecution you may or may not be liable for" Regards Avenger
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